Q: I have a question about the PFT and the CFT. Are the events (like pull-up, 3 mile run and crunches) back to back or is there a rest period in between?
A: I have always gotten enough time to catch my breath, get some water and even do a little quick stretching in between. At OCS, you will have so much time in between events that the worry is muscles cooling too much if it is winter or fall, in my opinion. They take a few minutes to total everyone’s scores and give instructions for the following event. Same for the PFT & CFT.
The Combat Fitness Test (CFT): an awesome, quick workout, day or night
Q: Do you recommend CrossFit also to prepare for Marine Corps OCS?
A: Crossfit is a great workout program and might help some get ready for OCS (hey, better than nothing) but in my opinion, it does not prepare you for most OCS workouts except indirectly. I definitely do not recommend it for everybody. I would say to most people, you need to work on your bodyweight exercises for sure, and need lots of running for starters. After OCS, I highly recommend Crossfit for your general fitness.
The best OCS preparation workouts are OCS workouts.
Q: I was planning to go this summer to OCS. Do you know if the OSO’s really strict on speeding tickets?
A: Speeding tickets aren’t a big deal until you get one during OCS on libo! I had two on my record and no one said anything about them (you should report them to your OSO.)
Q: I know I need a better PFT score. What helped you bring up your pull-ups?
A: What helped me with pull-ups was doing the Armstrong program (click for link.)
I hope all you Crossfitters are doing full dead hang pull ups. No kipping allowed!
I also began incorporating weighted pull ups as I could do 20, 21, 22 reliably. Top Ten Pull Up Strength Builders.
Q: What was the gas chamber experience like?
A: Only enlisted do the gas chamber during boot camp. After OCS (OFFICER Candidate School) comes TBS, The Basic School for new 2nd Lieutenants, and it is there that we do the gas chamber. It sucked, but worrying ahead of time didn’t seem to help at all.
Q: Looking back on your experience, how much “knowledge” did you memorize before going down to OCS? Knowing what you know now, what would you advise others to learn?
A: I memorized a fair amount, but would recommend more. I failed one test at OCS and had to take it again on the weekend. Memorize everything you can that I have posted on the site!
Q: I am going to OCS on the Bulldog program. I currently have a 279 PFT but am more concerned with keeping up with humps (the farthest we have gone is about 9-10 miles), and improving on the CFT. I’ve been Crossfitting for about a year but your suggestions seem a lot more applicable. My main question is, how often should each of these workouts be done per week?
A: Alex, crossfit is a good workout, but it is not the USMC OCS workouts–these are. Usually, I would say, do these workouts as much as you can. Most non-Marines/non-crossfitters would not have the discipline to be able to match the OCS intensity of them, but perhaps that wouldn’t be your problem.
Candidates at OCS perform the side plank. If you're not doing this ahead of time as part of your workout, prepare for pain.
Q: I’m plan on becoming an officer, but where do I learn cadences? Or do you learn them at OCS?
A: Excellent question. You will pick some up at OCS but I remember candidates calling cadences on almost our very first runs already.
I highly recommend getting a cd of them or mp3s, and running while memorizing them. That’s what I did and I wished I had learned more ahead of time.
Put these on your ipod!
Try to memorize 3-4 at a minimum ahead of time, as time allows.
Q: I plateaued at about 10 pull-ups inboard, no matter the program, so I switched to outboard and went from 1 to 9 in only two or three weeks.
My problem, though, is that I got these thick calluses on the balls of my palms, from when the skin get pinched when doing the pull-ups. They hurt and end up decreasing my numbers, no matter whether I use a padded bar or not.
A: Plateauing and the callus pain are common problems, actually both of which I’ve experienced.
Plateauing: if you can do 10 or more pullups, I recommend doing weighted pullups. Try 4 days a week (not too much or too little) and find a weight where you can get a few pullups in. Then max out, then finish your workout without. See how that works for you. It got me from about 18-22 pullups.
Calluses: Padding on the bar never helped me. What did help was using athletic tape and building up a larger, tape-covered bar. I don’t know exactly why, but that felt much nicer on my hands. You can also try chaulk or lifting gloves, which I settled on. I actually ended up getting gel-filled fingerless bike racer gloves (think Lance Armstrong) and using them on my pullups. When you’re doing hundreds a week, it adds up. Good luck, stay consistent in your work!
Q: Is there a high graduating percentage. Like did most people who started finish?
A Sergeant Instructor informs a female candidate that statistically speaking, her chances of making it are not good
A: In my class, approximately 2/3rds of the males made it through. 82% of the women did NOT make it through, then a majority of them went to Mike Co. (the waiting company) at TBS instead of picking up to recover from injuries. These numbers were for fall OCC–they are worse in winter.
Q: Do you get time to practice the Obstacle Course to get good at it?
A: You will run it MANY MANY times before the final graded, timed event. If you are one of the candidates who has a problem on ropes, they will get you special times to practice the rope climb every week. I think just about no one failed the O Course when I was there–they help you quite a bit. Not in the most polite manner possible, but they help you.
Q: What are some of the biggest reasons for getting dropped from OCS?
A: There are a host of reasons to leave OCS. I’ll list the ones I’ve seen. In no particular order: sickness or injury (common), lack of physical stamina, poor leadership, academic failure (rare), stupidity (common). Let me explain stupidity. Some candidates drink on their Liberty, or sleep in and fail to show up on time at the end of Liberty. Some decided to sleep at night instead of do work and preparation for upcoming events. Physical preparation, catching up on sleep ahead of time, and doing what academic work you can ahead of time will cover all your bases. Not being a stupid person and avoiding freak injuries is between you and your Maker.
Q: How to prepare for SULE, LRC or other Leadership Challenges? How to prepare mentally?
A: First, don’t worry about these events. If you have Marine Corps Officer potential, OCS will ably prepare you for each challenge before testing you. Secondly, I don’t want to give an undeserving candidate a huge edge to succeed at OCS, and become an officer just because he got more gouge ahead of time.
If you are a deserving officer, you’ll make it fine with the amount of advice up on the site. Your leadership will be tested appropriately, and I don’t want anyone with poor leadership to succeed just because they “cheated” the system.
Any other questions?
Just ask them as a comment and they will be answered!
A candidate navigates the Quigley in winter
how often do they tell you to write essay and stuff I am not a very talented writer I actually suck at it
It could be twice a week. I can tell you suck at it. Try the Army maybe.
I am planing on joining but im really worried about the running I can run 1 mile in 8 minutes 35 seconds my average time I get but after that i cannot run any more I feel out of breath is there a way you think I can fix this. Im doing great on the other parts of the PFT the most pull ups I can do is 18 consistently and the sit ups I can do 100 in 1 minute 50 seconds. Also do they let you drink water during the run?
I’m a LCPL and and currently appliying to OCS my avg mile is 6:40 and i could probably keep running for at least another 5 miles (at a much slower pace about 8 minute mile) i get 24 pull ups and 100 crunches no problem, with that said my OSO told me that i need to improve my run time. My point is not to make it look like you have no chance, but instead ask your local OSO about is, hell give you a better answer about where you need to be in order to be competitive for OCS.
Hi, what do you reccomend us candidates to leanr before going to OCS? Above you stated you wished you memorized more..
Basically I didn’t get beyond 1-3 below, and wish I had more cadences memorized before OCS.
Download some cadences from iTunes, listen, and work your way through the following:
1. Leadership Traits
2. Leadership Principles
3. General Orders
4. Code of Conduct
5. USMC and Navy Rank Structure
All available here:
http://bit.ly/9m0z9p
Did you learn the rest at OCS?
How many cadences do you reccomend learning?
Does the Marine Corps still guarantee aviation training for PLC?
Finally, what are the percentages of the pass/fail candidates at OCS?
Thanks for taking the time to reply!
Yes you learn the rest of your knowledge while at OCS.
I recommend learning 3-4 cadences–I will put that in the page. Good question!
Third, you’d have to ask an OSO.
Pass/fail rates are historically 25%-33% don’t make it for males, and worse for females.
When do you take your PFT? I am trying to figure out how much time I have to prep if I want to go to OCS in June.
Thanks
You will take several PFTs. One or two leading up to your application to get it in. Then once selected, a “Pre-ship PFT” within a month of leaving.
what are the policies on tattoos???(provided they arent anything gang like, i just mean something normal…)
–what if you get one after you have graduated, will they lower your rank or something or kick you out??
—what if you have one that says something patriotic already like “devil dog” will they do the same thing?
–where are you allowed to have them etc?
Here is the current policy: http://www.usmc.mil/news/messages/Pages/MARADMIN029-10.aspx
But things change so I would direct questions to your OSO when you are ready to apply to OCS.
What are some of the biggest reasons for getting dropped (and leaving) from OCS?
Any way to prepare for the LRC or SULE, and the leadership needed to succeed at OCS?
How can I prepare for the Tarzan and Confidence courses? Will we get a lot of practice on these?
Best (any?) way to prepare mentally for OCS?
Hi Scott,
Excellent questions. You got multiple new Q&As added to the official post above! Other than that, don’t worry at all about the Tarzan and Confidence Courses. I did them once; they were a blast and maybe 1% of candidates failed; they re-did them and had no problem. Just play around on a playground with 7 year olds for an afternoon and you’ve already done more than those courses require.
Prepare mentally by making success at OCS psychologically equivalent to survival. “I need it or I can’t live with myself” kind of determination. Just my opinion, and can bite you in your butt if you don’t make it…
Work hard and good luck!
S/F
Sir:
Excellent site. Just to update you, Bates Lights are no longer permitted at OCS. This leads me to my question: which would be the second best boot (particularly for the Endurance Course or Fartleks)?
Wow! That’s a surprise. I’d definitely recommend any jungles. They will have the small vents at your foot’s arch, which will let out the water from the Endurance Course water portions. It will hurt your run time a lot to carry around two bootfulls of water!
If you can’t do more than a mile at ALL, you’re probably SOL. Try running slower for longer, then pick up your speed after you can run more
Great blog! Read through everything at least three times already. I just have a quick question about combat boots. My feet are pretty wide and I was wondering if they have boots for candidates with wide feet, or is the width for all boots just generic. Thanks
Yes they will have all sizes available, including wides. If you have wide feet, try to get a feel for what size you’ll wear ahead of time. You can visit the Marine Shop in Quantico or the PX on base before arriving at OCS, so that you know ahead of time. Boot issue will be a hectic, stressed activity and not a great time to go “shopping” for multiple different sizes.
Hi, long overdue but congrats on your comissioning. I have a question about the tarzan and confidence courses. I have a fear of heights and am worried that this part of ocs will kill me. Did you witness any of your fellow candidates struggle with heights?
Thank you very much, jon. Commissioning is the proudest day of my career.
Here’s how ropes will go for you: you will be well trained in how to climb and cross the rope obstacles. You will follow the line of candidates through the tarzan and confidence course. You will be safe due to your training, nets below you, and Corpsman on standby. You will be very scared, but will proceed in spite of your fear, and conquer the obstacles. That is called courage. You will have enough when the time comes. Don’t doubt it.
Semper Fi
Thanks for answering my questions. I have a couple more. I know liberty is granted after the first two weeks of OCS, but how long is liberty and does the time vary? Also, I read somewhere that infantry is the most requested MOS at TBS, and only the top in the class can be assigned to it. Is this true? By the way what college did you attend? Thanks
Liberty might be up to 24 hours. For us it was Saturday afternoon to Sunday afternoon. They can take it away or mess with you by changing the times or anything. They use it as a tool to frustrate you.
No that’s not true at all about TBS. I can’t get into the process here but do more research on MOS selection at TBS.
I went to a small private school, but your college really plays no role in selection. Just your grades really.
Hi Sir
I am a PLC Combined applicant who is waiting to go on the upcoming March selection board. I am actually about 5’11” and 140lbs. Always have been very skinny. I was wondering how do I train for the CFT’s Fireman carry. Since I am not that physically built or muscular, it is a concern for me and I was wondering what I should to to train for it to improve my abilities?
Thank You
Hi PLC Applicant,
I wouldn’t be too worried about that. I was very skinny at OCS, too and was able to do it fine. Luckily you get paired up with a candidate of similar weight to yourself. I know that’s probably not a huge encouragement, but you can do it, with some good core strength.
To build strength to help on CFT and humps, I highly recommend a squats and deadlifts-heavy workout. I actually would recommend something with squats and more heavy slow lifts than lots of cardio for you, to put on some bulk. I would only recommend such things for the skinniest candidates, mostly since OCS has a way of shrinking candidates over the summer.
Try the Stronglifts 5×5 workout for 6 weeks, you’ll see changes and get some good core and lower body gains.
Sir,
I am a female hoping to go to OCC this summer. I was hoping you might have some insight as to why so many more women get dropped than men? I have a competitive PFT score, but, presumably, so did all the women that got dropped from your OCC class.
I have been trying to focus a lot on upper body strength since I know that sometimes can be a problem for women, even if they have a good flexed arm hang score. Do you have any other suggestions for things I should prepare for and focus on that tend to give women candidates difficulty or cause them to be dropped?
Thank you for your help and the time you put into your very informative blog.
Brittany, frankly all I can share is my opinion or observations. You’ll get as many answers to that question as people you ask. First, the failures snowball. The more candidates your platoon drops, the more sleep you lose as others have to cover their shifts of firewatch at night. By the end of OCC-202, the ladies were doing two hour watches, every other night. More stress, more failures, more firewatch…more stress. So don’t have any sleep debt when you report to Quantico!
Secondly, from what I observed, physical injuries were a major factor. Frankly lower body is the trouble area. Lots of boots, weight on your back, running through water, etc; it all adds up to hell on your feet and ankles. So maybe try to hit heavy lunges and squats to develop the muscles and joints as you are able. Usually women’s flexibility is pretty good compared to men’s, I think, so that is an advantage.
Thirdly, don’t look for ways to get out of the pain, just accept it and forge ahead. I know a few female candidates got dropped for not carrying all the gear they were supposed to in their packs, or even carrying weight for others. It’s sink or swim on your own strength at OCS to some extent.
Honestly that’s all that comes to mind when I think of female platoons in my experience. All the rest applies to everyone about academics and fitness. If your PFT score is okay, switch to the OCS workouts on here, which will prepare you better. In a couple weeks my OCS preparation workout will be published on here, so stay tuned for that.
I was selected for OCS this coming summer, but my PFT is hoovering around 250. I recently hurt my shoulder and it will heal by OCS but I am afraid my PFT is going to dip down to 230.
My question is, will I be sent home if I perform a low PFT? Even if it is still a 1st class PFT?
you will go before a board and they will decide if you will go home. If you dont have the right info and clearance on your shoulder injury, you can also be sent home for that.
HAHA, im in one of those pictures
Very cool, Pete! If you’d like, just point it out and I’ll give you a credit in it. I know only a couple candidates from any of these pictures.
How hard is it to receive a medical waiver to go to OCS? Im prior-service Army and injured my foot and ankle, let out on a medical (honorable) discharge.
Hello, i am currently working with an OSO and am working towards the ASVAB and SAT. Now i fully understand other candidates already may qualify so I am hoping after my scores come in i can secure a spot at OCC, I will be a junior next year and already have the appropriate GPA. I want to do ALL that i can to acheive this, what advice can you give on staying competitve and obtaining this spot at OCS.-Thank You
Junior in high school? Why are you taking an SAT and ASVAB? Those are unnecessary for application. Get a high PFT score, and have multiple leadership roles in groups, teams, or clubs.
My apologies when i said junior I ment that I am a junior in College.
Okay then you should not have to take the SAT or ASVAB. SATs are taken in high school and the ASVAB is for enlisting–your college GPA surpasses both for OCS application reasons. You need sparkling physical fitness, sparkling recommendations from good sources, and those leadership demonstrations.
I was wondering how tough is it to get into plc/ocs? I am a junior in high school, i have a 3.9 GPA, Im involved with many clubs and play football and basketball. I also got a 23 on the ACT. Thanks ahead of time for answering my question.
You’re on the right track. When you get to college, keep that GPA UP and get in as many leadership positions as you can in clubs and groups on campus. Sports team captain, any clubs, and so forth. And of course keep that physical fitness top notch. Keep working until you can get a 300 PFT. It will be a little tough to get in but harder to get through.
For Cameron,
To add onto what the administrator posted. I applied in June right after graduating HS. I was accepted September before college even started (quarter school) and had not taken a single college class. If you are athletic, have a great PFT, strong leadership, and are overall the “mold” of the traits wanted in a USMC officer you can be accepted. I went to OCS Juniors in 2009 after my freshman year and I return to OCS Seniors on May 20th. To the administrator, good website and keep up the work.
Thank you. And thanks for showing some teamwork by helping another candidate.
Great website, it is very helpful! I am hoping to go to OCC in January, but I have a question about boots. You mentioned that getting a pair beforehand would be a good idea.
Can you take those boots with you to OCC once you have broken them in?
What brand do they issue you at OCC?
You mention jungles, would you recommend a particular brand or is it just whatever fits best?
Thanks in advance!
When I went to OCS, I was able to bring my Bates Lights I had broken in beforehand. Now, I hear Bates Lights are no-go, but I am under the impression you could bring other boots. Yeah, it’s just dependent on your own foot. Whatever works for you. I recommend googling “Quantico Boot,” and seeing what the approved USMC boot styles are and whatever is in your price range. I honestly won’t recommend the boots I wore…I had terrible blisters and foot pain through TBS even.
I think they issue Bates or Bellevilles.
Dont get a pair before hand anymore or buy a pair on libo. They issue you a pair of Jungles and Moonboots when you get there. They are Bates and are all you need for OCS. When you get to TBS you will have a better idea of what you want and need in terms of equipment. They give you all that you need when you get there and anything you want to improve or replace can be done on libo or during haircuts when you go to the small MCX. A good pair of socks and some mole skin is all you should need to get on top of the boots for your feet.
Other things to bring if you want (not needed)
-Slider/compression shorts (decrease friction between thight on hikes)
– must not be seen while wearing PT gear.
-Magnum black permanent marker (2)
-Small round nose scissors
-a few large plastic ziploc bags (to put knowledge in)
-erasable pens (for essays)
-A laminated 5 paragraph order sheet. (admin can post one to print and laminate)
Do they give you a medical exam when you arrive at OCS? What is medical in-processing like? I just went through MEPS and they said I was good to go. Would medical at OCS send you home for something MEPS did not have a issue with?
Hmm they probably would only send you home for shin splints or something that would interfere with training that happened to you between MEPS and OCS. Basically you get a once-over, get lots of vaccines, and some shoe insoles. It’s not as intense as MEPS by any stretch.
As a sophomore in High School, how can i better myself…especially at a young age. I can do 90 push ups, 13 pull ups, 100 crunches, but i have not done much running. Unfortunately i dont participate in any sports but i am in some clubs (yet i dont have any leadership positions). I am very motivated to joining the Corps as an officer, i will do what ever I can to honor those who fell before me and their sacrifices that made this country possible. But above all, i want to lead my men and serve a worthy cause in the name of our freedom. I also get good grades. What would you recommend i do at this age? Also, i know i have a long time to wait, but when is the best time to contact an OSO for the Juniors PLC.
-Demonstrate and develop leadership by assuming positions of leadership whenever possible. Make it a goal. I’d also recommend getting a mentor, say a retired servicemember, and taking him out to lunch once a month to pick his brain about his service, about leadership, and at your age, manhood in general. If you want to lead Marines, it’s time to grow up.
-Keep your grades up, don’t get tattoos, and keep a clean criminal record.
-Increase your already good level of physical fitness. Cardio is king.
-Talk to an OSO as soon as you get to college, but no need sooner.
And, for fun, watch some USMC movies like Full Metal Jacket or Generation Kill. Stay motivated!
There is great deal of the knowledge we are tested on at OCS, TBS and that you should know as an officer doesnt change. USMC history is a great thing to brush up on like who was the first female aviator, what were some major marine battles, who are some famous marines, etc.. You can also conduct yourself as an officer- no illicit drugs and dont break the law in general. Learning the UCMJ Punitive Articles is a good thing to do although it may change a bit the majority of the articles wont change any time soon. Familiarize yourself with USMC policies as they change and learn the benefits afforded to your Marines and keep up with them too. This is just a small bit but get started on it and you will get an idea of what you should do next based off the knowledge you have already learned.
Thank you sir, I watched Generation Kill and the Pacific for motivation. You helped me a lot. Do you have a facebook page for your website?
Absolutely just go to http://www.facebook.com/people/Usmc-Ocs/100002206573045
Or click the facebook link in the sidebar on every page.
The facebook page is an excellent forum for questions and answers, and you will also get all the new material highlighted there.
Hi,
I leave for OCS in June. I just got contracted in March. I am a female and right now I am starting on a 8 week workout program to prepare for OCS in Quantico. What advice do you have for females going in? I am working right now on my upper body strength and I have printed out information to study ahead of time. How many miles a day/week should I be running? Is there a max of miles I should be running at a time? What other upper body exercises should I do to prepare? I see that the attrition rate for females is high of dropping out. How many females typically go to OCS? And how many actually pass? What would be a good PFT to aim for to prepare for OCS? Any other information you have for females and to prepare for OCS this June would be nice.
Hi Kay, that is so many questions, I’m going to make my response its own blog post. Subscribe to the blog here on wordpress or friend USMC OCS on Facebook for my reply. Stay tuned.
I befriended you on facebook, so I will wait to see it. Thanks.
Question: Is there a competitive difference in selection boards for October 2011 vs. January 2011 OCC?
Background: PFT score of 300 (College runner), AQR – 6, PFAR – 7, FOFAR – 7, AOR – 65. Two LOR’s from Flag Officers. Flight Physical complete, expect to sign flight contract witin the next week.
Issue: Trying to decide whether to compete for a spot in the October OCC or the January OCC. I have a pressing family matter in October that would be difficult to have rescheduled, but would try if there was a significat difference in the two selection probabilities.
If possible, please advise.
Thank you,
Chris,
Right now you’d have to ask that of an OSO. I’m not in the loop as to boards this year. Your package looks like it is top-notch, from my perspective though. Off the cuff, I’d recommend attending to any family issues first, then going to OCS. You won’t have much time for family in OCS of course, or even TBS.
Will a broken finger keep me from shipping to OCS? It just happened and I’m supposed to leave in a 15 days. I don’t know if i should just suck it up or tell my OSO.
They’re going to find it during inprocessing at OCS and send you home, so better just tell your OSO and try to get into the next OCS class. Call him.
Sir,
I will be going to PLC Srs. the summer after this upcoming one, and was wondering if the academics from Srs. will go back over the Student Outline Book or “knowledge” candidates received in Juniors, or if candidates will be given a new outline book with entirely new lessons on history, land nav etc. Thanks for your help,
Nathan, great question. I haven’t been to PLC, so you’ll have to direct that question to your OSO.
Your sr. book will contain a lot of the same stuff from Jr. and more. They will not test you on anything that isnt in the book you have or hasnt been handed out. Dont over think returning, it sucks going again but once you are there it feels like you just went on a very long libo. It all comes back to you.
Sir,
Sir,
If selected, I will be 30 years old when I start OCS in October. I am an attorney currently running a 274 PFT. I was just wondering if either my age or being a law contract would affect my OCS experience or get me singled out (either good or bad). Assuming my PT isn’t notably worse than the younger candidates, would there be anything else to look out for. Thanks for your help.
Curtis,
I went through OCS & TBS with a Law contract who was over 30. He got lots of attention as “The Old Man of the Marine Corps,” and for poor PT. Your PFT is good now, but make sure you use the summer to improve your PT! Look, everyone will get attention at OCS for whatever makes them different at all. Tall/short, skinny, strong, or weak. If you are not loud and intense enough, not strong enough, or not a team-player, then the attention you get will be bad. You will be a Marine first and a lawyer or older man second, so just act like that and you will be fine. Go into OCS & TBS with the attitude that you want to show everyone that you can be a strong infantry leader, and you will win everyone’s respect. As an older man, I encourage you to help all the candidates you can who are much younger or more immature. Our OCC class went from age 22 to a few over 30, so your life experiences and academic skills from law school are advantages other young officers-to-be may lack. And don’t mention to anyone that you are a law contract unless necessary. Rifleman first. Semper Fi
Fantastic site. I’m 24, just graduated law school and am currently studying for the Bar. I am in the early stages of applying for June 2012 OCC.
There was a previous comment which addressed this but I’d like clarification if you don’t mind. When do you have to perform your first PFT? I was thinking I’d have all year to push myself to a 300 but apparently they benchmark you very early on in the process. Should I hold off on the application process until later in the year when I’m confident in my ability to score a 300? I’m pretty fit now, but definitely have room for improvement on my running.
Thanks for such a great source of information.
Hmm I think I did my PFT roughly 6 months before getting to OCS, in order to send an application packet to “the board” which approves candidates for OCS. Then you will take another a month out, your first week there, the mid-way point, and the last week of OCS. And at the first and last weeks of TBS. Get good at the PFT and stay good at the PFT!
Thank you for the prompt reply.
So if I hope to attend the June 2012 OCC, I’ll likely do my first PFT around December 2011?
Roughly. “Winter” is my best guess. You can talk to an OSO and get a better idea from him, though. There is NEVER a good reason to postpone talking to an OSO, in my mind. You shouldn’t be hesitant to just talk to one or go in for an interview.
Concerning the dental exam,
I am checking in June 2nd. I had to get the form filled out by my dentist at the beginning of this month, and it was before my appointment. He deemed me class 1 based on my last check up. When I went in a few days later and had my check up, it was discovered that I have a cavity. It is not serious at all and work on it can wait, it would make me class 2. Do I need to get my form changed to say class 2? Will I be dropped for having this cavity in the dental exam during inprocessing?
Don’t even bring it up or think about it. I doubt they’ll find it. There’s no rush, and it will just be a distraction trying to take care of that now. The time to do a filling is after OCS on your own time or the first week at TBS, whenever you get there (on the government’s dime.) The first week of TBS is like a dental horror show, so many new 2nd Lts get wisdom teeth filled and cavities drilled. They love to “take care of you” there.
I am a PLC combined candidate that ships out June 2nd as well. If I was recently hospitalized for a wisdom tooth infection but there is no paperwork on it in my ship packet will there be a problem when I arrive at OCS?
I doubt it. If you’re good as new, then I would just wait until getting to TBS and have your wisdom teeth out there. On the government’s dime. Hey, why not.
Not unless you say something. Keep it to yourself and it wont matter.
When going to an interview for OCC – is “professional attire” the same as in the civilian realm (suit and tie)?
You are a civilian, so professional attire is professional civilian attire. I would wear a tie and if I wasn’t going to sweat like a pig due to hot weather, the suit jacket too. It’s your first chance to make a good impression.
Hello,
I have just a few questions regarding OCS and College in general.
1- I am going into my senior year in High School, i am in the NJROTC program, and i am in 2 leadership positions.
2- I KNOW i am over weight for the USMC, but i have been looking for a good and effective workout plan to fit into USMc standards.
3- I have a STRONG desire to lead Marines, i aspire to pilot the either the F/A-18 Hornet, of the MV-22 Osprey.
If you have any suggestions, on how i can better prepare myself, please let me know.
Greatly appreciated.
1. Print the workout from my site
2. Get off the computer and PT!
3. Shut up, put in the work, and come back when you can do 20 pullups and run 3 miles in under 21 minutes. Then I’ll give you another mission.
Really.
First off- Ductus Exemplo. You need to check your Ductus if you are in leadership positions and are over weight, well, I wouldnt follow a person who cant take care of themselves. Luckily the USMC doesnt ask its Marines to do that. What I am trying to say is, if you know there is a problem than fix it. Demonstrate some will power, motivation, and any other number of leadership traits that you are violating. Until then you arent prepared for OCS.
Correct yourself.
On a side note, no one will care if you were in JROTC they will care what you are capable of (i.e. PFT, GPA, Recommendations…)
Hi Im 19 years old and a college softmore. Im thinking about going to PLC next summer and I was wondering how I could improve my current workout.
In the winter my 3 mile is as good as 20:30. However lately Ive struggled to make 22:30. My last run was a dreadful 23:19. So I defintiley need a change in how i run. My current running schedule: Wake up at 5am
M 3 miles
T 4 miles
W 3 miles
R No run
F 6 miles
Sat 2 miles
I can only do 8 pullups at my max right now. ALhtough I couldnt do any 6 months ago. I have a pullup bar in my bedroom doorway so I like to do 4-6 pullups everytime i walk through it and then max out at the end of the day before bed.
I can max out the crunches at 100 in 2 minutes. The hardest thing for me is pushups. I did a 10 day plan (Stew Smith’s Push up plan) where I did 200 push ups a day then rested 3 days. I didnt see any results however. As of now 50 pushups is a challenging for me. I usually have to raise my butt up and rest at 25-30 and every 5 pushups after that.
Connor, your workout is completely off the deep end. Try the workout on my site for 10 weeks, no more, no less. Eat lots of protein, get 7 hours of sleep a night, and report back.
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/overtraining/a/aa062499a.htm
Okay, i’m a prior enlisted 0311. I got out so I could get a degree and am going to OCS next summer, can’t wait. I was just curious how they treat the prior enlisted guys, I was told that they mess with us more because they expect more from us. Is this true?
Oorah! Coming to the dark side, eh? Yes, they might expect a little more out of you, but your grading scale will be no different. Your grades in the tests and leadership events are most of what what will pass/fail you. Since you’ve already experienced MCRD, you have a huge leg up on the civilian college kids at OCS. In my mind, that completely overshadows any extra attention you might get from the Sergeant Instructors. So, you’re capable of more, and they ask a little more. You can do it.
rah rifleman (the real rifleman) im an 0311 as well and im trying to get on this summers class as well. where are you coming from? good luck and hopefully ill see you there, btw my name is LCPL Cuello. Oh and the gunny at my OSO said that they do ask a bit more but that for the most part they have more trust on us because we are Marines already and know to do the right thing (or should).
Thank you Sir, i’m looking forward to it.
Sir,
I am applying for PLC for next summer. I am going into my sophomore year in college. I am having a difficult time with the pull ups and run. I just began to really work at them, as I was mostly trying to bulk up by weight training the past school year for lacrosse.
What’s the best way to get the cardio down pat? I noticed the Armstrong Pull Up program on here, I have already improved on the pullups. However, the cardio is whoopin’ me.
I want to be in the absolute best shape I can be if I am accepted to OCS, as I will take a lot of shit for my height. (I am 6’7).
Thank you.
I’m 6’4″, and got up to 24 consecutive pull ups while preparing for OCS. Knowledge is no excuse for being unprepared. Only lack of time, commitment, or something like an injury will hold back 95% of most candidates. 90% of the ones I know, it’s laziness or lack of prioritization (time management).
I can’t make my workout any more obvious on this website. Do it religiously for 10 weeks, if you miss more than 2 days, start the clock over. Don’t ask any more questions until you’ve done that.
By the end, you won’t be worrying about cardio.
I am a former candidate. I did PLC juniors and Seniors. At seniors, 6 days before graduation I was dropped at Battalion boards for leadership. Essentially it was because i dropped the ball between my first and second peer eval and got the worst in my squad. I was recommended to reapply for the 10 week program, I do not know which, plc 10 weeks or OCC. I am determined to get back into this and finish. Which increment is best, summer, fall, or winter? Has anyone ever heard of a dropped candidate making it back into the program? (my grades were fine, they sent me home to mature more for a year or two).
Serge, plenty of dropped candidates come back, successfully or not. I know a few 3-OCS candidates, even. The best increment is the one you can get into. Just do your best and worry about your own personal maturity, not the time of year, which is not important. Many applicants are having very hard times getting in, to any increment.
Once again, prior enlisted 03. Another question just occured to me, when I was discharged I was a green Belt in MCMAP. Do I have to retest all three levels or am I authorized to wear my green belt upon graduation from OCS. I am assuming candidates wear those fancy web belts until graduation. Also, I hear the OCS chowhall serves some amazing food, is this rumor true because there is nothing better after a hard week in the field than a hot meal, you may laugh but good food has gotten me through some tough times SIr.
Sorry for the extremely late reply. I have no clue about your belt status but I bet you can keep Green. The chow hall is decent food–it’s chow hall fair. It seems heavenly after some MREs in the field, though!
This is more for peace of mind, than anything else, so feel free to take your time responding. I can run approximately a 275 PFT (I vary from around 270 to 285). However, while working out in a local gym, someone who used to be a Marine told me that I do not have the ‘look’ of a 2nd LT. Not a attractiveness comment, but rather, I was too skinny. (This guy is a former translator who worked with Marines in Iraq). Now, I know that physically I can perform, but I wondered how my 6’0″ and 164 lb frame stacks up to other Candidates/Lieutenants? It won’t effect my desire to enter the Corps as an officer, but it will change the way I work out if bulking up is a necessity.
I personally have only 4 pounds on you and 4 MORE inches of height. So, there’s two kinds of Marines: Rottweilers, who are big and mean, and Dobermans, who are skinny and mean. With a solid 275 PFT, looks like you will be a Doberman Marine soon.
Don’t let it get in your head. Next person who tells you that you don’t look strong, challenge them to a pull up competition. Cardio is the key at OCS, so that could be your “skinniest” stage of your career, and that would be fine.
Thank you for the prompt reply!
That Marine shouldnt make comments like that in the first place. We had a bodybuilder in my PLC juniors class. This guy was the real thing not just some chump. He did collegiate bodybuilding competitions and everything. He got booted because he couldnt pass the stamina course at OCS even once. I saw him walk off the O course half way through due to exhaustion. Looks count for very little. I have about 3lb on you but am 5’11″ and I had one of the best composite physical fitness scores in my platoon at seniors. I got pneumonia at juniors on the second week and only took 1 day bed rest and 1 day light duty so I wouldnt be dropped for failure to train. There were a few other candidates that same summer who did it similarly. Still, I was in the top half of my platoon with my physical fitness score even with full on pneumonia. Cardio, mental toughness, and endurance are way more important than bulk. At a certain point bulk slows you down more than it helps.
Related:
They do post your test, physical, leadership, and other scores for everyone to see in the squad bay. It includes composite scores. While they dont post your name they are in alphabetic order like your racks so all you have to do is count racks to see whos who. It better motivate you to know your peers will know exactly how well you are doing.
Wow. That anecdote about the bodybuilder is amazing. Would you be willing to flesh it out and email it to me for a guest post? That would be a great story to warn and educate others about building muscle vs building fitness.
Sir,
I am a rising college junior applying for OCS next summer. I’ve already turned in a pretty good application: good recommendations, good leadership experience. My PFT was bad but I’ve trained hard and can almost do a perfect one now (only the run is not quite perfect). My big issue is grades. I go to a very demanding private college (as you mentioned you did), and I only have a 2.0. I do well in most classes but there are a few that I came close to failing that dragged my GPA down. I know I will get a 3.0 next semester, but it will not raise my cumulative GPA that much. So my question to you is: how much value is placed on the overall GPA and how much is placed on how I did in which classes, and how much is on showing improvement? Also how much does the quality of the school matter?
Thank you.
I forgot to mention I am applying for ground, not air. I understand they put more value on grades for pilots.
abc, to be honest you’re going to have an uphill battle. They look more at overall GPA than just one or two semesters, but on your side is that they do look at how Barron’s ranks how competitive (hard) the colleges are, as I understand it. So, perhaps your 2.0 would scale to a 2.5 somewhere else. Good luck. Make sure that PFT is 300, though.
How are you notified if you are selected or not? My package was submitted for the October Boards and I am curious of the method in which I will recieve the board’s decision. Thank you in advance!
They notify your OSO, so keep in close touch with him.
Thank you very much for the information and your prompt reply. Your website is a wonderful resource!
Thanks so much Emma! I really appreciate the feedback.
Good source of info. I have sent a couple of candidates this way to help answer questions. What OCS class were you in? Charlier Company, 5th Platoon Class 204 here.
Your website is extremely helpful and I greatly appreciate the hard work you have put into it. However, I was wondering what your opinions are of NROTC. NROTC is something I have greatly considered as I near finishing high school. Any thoughts or experiences would a big help. Thank you.
Sorry, I didn’t do it. My good friend who did it says he wishes he did PLC, though. That’s one officer’s opinion.
NROTC Marine Midshipmen go to OCS for the “Bulldog course” so either way you are going. The bulldog course is essentially PLC seniors. They do the exact same stuff as the Seniors platoons just on different days. We had a platoon from Gulf (the NROTC bulldog company) on the floor above us in the squad bays and they did the exact same stuff (hike, workout, tests) as we did but two days earlier. So when a big test would come around the candidates with poor integrity would trade or buy the test answers off of the NROTC candidates during libo.
What I am getting at is that for PLC juniors they teach and screen you in 6 weeks what NROTC Marine Midshipmen get over 2 years. Then PLC seniors is the same as the Bulldog course. In general I observed that NROTC platoons consisted of better prepared and generally better all around candidates.
I am currently applying for PLC 113 combined course for next summer. My contract is for aviation and it has already been sent off to be reviewed by the board. I was wondering if having an aviation contract will help to increase my chances of getting selected? Also, I read in an earlier post that you are given peer evaluations. Could you please elaborate on what all your peers evaluate you on?
Aviation contracts…you never know. Ever. Peers will evaluate you often and their rankings will determine your success at OCS. I’m not going to give people too many hints about the leadership events and grading at OCS. Gotta sink or swim on your merit. Marines deserve it.
Sir,
What is a good score on the PFT to get in to PLC? My buddy got in with a “lower” score but he is an air contract.
Thanks,
John
Sorry, I’m not up to speed with the board’s current shifting standards. Talk to your OSO.
Currently an 03 with an EAS to be in June of 2012. I have a strong intrest in following up my Enlisted time with either PLC or OCS. I am looking for some advice on the approach I should take. My current plan is looking like Re-Enlisting in the reserves and attending a school with a NROTC program. Does this seem like a good plan? Also I seen a few questions posted above that helped, but one I think got missed in relation to MCMAP. I am currently a green belt will I still rate that or will I have to test out again? Also this is more a question from my wife, How often across the schooling process will I be able to see my wife?
That’s alot of questions in one. You should talk to an OSO and any officers you know about their opinions. I’ll respond via email.
I am considering entering OCS in the summer of 2012, and my biggest question/concern is this. How much strain gets put on your lower back during OCS? I have experienced some slight muscle soreness more often in my lower back over the years, and I’m just concerned that it might be an issue.
I really want to get through OCS but also I don’t want to majorly screw up my back. I’m going through a strengthening program for my back right now but just wanted to hear what you think.
Kurt, great question. The lower back stress is brutal. Between marching with lots of weight, and holding your rifle out in front of you for a long time, your lower back bears the brunt of it. You need to be doing heavy lifts–squats, deadlifts, heavy lunges–to build your entire core. Knees, hips, shoulders, it’s all part of the chain to bear the stress. Get strong and stay motivated.
Sir, one question.
I have a slight contracture in my left elbow. This basically means that I can’t completely straighten my left arm at the elbow. My right arm goes to 180 degrees, while my left is at about 165-170. So, I can do pull-ups, but at a dead hang it looks like my left arm is slightly flexed. I will ask my OSO, but do you foresee this as a big problem for my candidacy?
I actually know a Major who can’t straighten out either arm. Work on a good strong grip so you can hang for a few seconds to show the person counting your reps that your arms don’t straighten. You MUST explain it before you get on that bar! They are super strict at OCS about dead-hangs, but you only have to go as far as your elbows let you. Just make sure they know that. It might be an awkward moment, but make sure it’s all clear before you possibly waste a set.
My opinion is that you shouldnt give any reason to make yourself a less appealing candidate. If it is something small then dont mention it because (especially for health issues) you will probably need to get a waiver. Just another way to get disqualified.
This goes for a few questions I have answered-
Its not that they dont care about your health or special needs… Its that they care just enough to not want to deal with them. If they think you will be more work than the average candidate-gone. Keep that in mind when asking what ifs.
Are there any specific majors that will increase chances to get selected? Im currently enlisted Navy, finishing and an associates and plan to complete a bachelors right after. Not sure what to get a bachelors in. Thanks for the help!
Honestly I don’t think they take it into account, unless you’re going for an aviation contract, where anything aviation or engineering gets a big leg up.
Great website with a pleathora of information. Probably sick of hearing how great of a website this is but hey..it’s great. To my question: I am a recent graduate from college and have been feverishly training(physically) for OCS for about a year now. I’ve done a ridiculous amount of research on it(paralysis by analysis type research) but haven’t really seen too much on the simple and basic things for someone with no experience(like me) with the military. For instance: Protocol, Language and Terminology, Rank Structure and Addressing specific Rank Structure, Salute, Third Person Referrals, Drilling, Customs and Courtesies. Essentially, Phase One of Boot Camp. In a nutshell, do they teach and instruct these basic things at OCS for a civilian like myself who has no military experience?
Jon, I appreciate all positive feedback-thanks! Wow, what a great question–I haven’t written on that at all. Basically, they teach you by less than friendly means. Watch the first half of Full Metal Jacket. VERY LITTLE has changed. If you can memorize the rank structure and all the academics I have posted on here, you will pick up the rest in no time. For drilling, you will drill for seeming hours a day. It sucks but everyone can do it great by the end, so don’t worry about that ahead of time.
They do expect that to some degree. If your college has an ROTC program try doing a class for one of your semesters. Any branch of service will do in terms of ROTC but obviously a Marine ROTC would be best. There is no commitment to an ROTC program unless you accept money or go to their version of OCS between your sophomore and Junior year.
Other than that, there are at least a few priors in every OCS platoon and they can answer your questions. They get upset about all the questions they get but will always answer them if they can.
LC
Thank you for all the great information. I wish I had discovered your site sooner but no less I am heading to OCC 208(G) on Friday Oct 7 2011. I would like to say to future candidates that I was not selected for the last two classes that I applied for 206 and 207 it is a combination of economics and downsizing the corps to a leaner meaner force. But I did not let it get me down and I did not quit and the persistence paid off. If this is what you want to do do not ever give up. Ever.
My thanks again for this great website and to Captain Middleton and Gunnery Sgt Grey of the 8th Marine Corps recruiting district Arlington Texas for believing in me.
Hey I just was curious, I am a contracted Officer Candidate through PLC, I already have two tattoos down both my sides (wavered in of course) What would happen if i were to get more, hypothetically speaking?
You would have to update your OSO, he would have to apply for another waiver, and you could not attend OCS/PLC until it was approved. You can get tattoos during TBS or once you commission much more easily. Then you’ll just have to do a simple form. The big deal is gang-related or sexist/obscene, or anything seen while wearing PT gear.
Most OSO’s will tell you not to do it. My OSO used to give a speech at every pool function about how he would drop anyone who got a new tattoo while in his program. So ask first and decide ahead of time if it is so important that you cant wait until you commission to get a new tattoo.
Did your workout as instructed for 10 weeks, I am into PLC for this summer. 19 pullups, 19:10 3 mile, and 100 crunches. Will continue the hard work, thanks again.
Hello sir, I’ve read your blog for a while, but I’ve never posted before. I’m a graduate from University of Florida, 23 years old. I started your workout routine earlier this year and it’s brought me from 6 pullups to 21, 40 crunches to 110, and my run has improved from 23:20 to 20:50. So first off, thank you very much for the information and how easily it’s digestible.
I applied for the Oct class with a PFT of 274 and GPA around 2.7, but did not get accepted, but I’ve recently taken the PFT again and received 283. UF has a brutal economics program, but I’m hoping that a solid PFT score can offset that a bit. I’ve heard from several enlisted Marines that a 285 is a sort of “money” score, that after that it’s somewhat of a plateau. This leads me to three questions if you may; did you know any fellow OCS candidates with a GPA similar to mine? If so, what kind of scoring range were they at? Since I’m re-applying with a higher score, and I score higher every single time I do the PFT, does that get taken into consideration?
Thanks again
Antonio, thank you very much for the positive feedback. It motivates me to continue my work and keep the blog up. I hope I inspire others to pass along what they have to share. First off, the overall competitiveness of your college can help or hurt your GPA score vs other applicants. So that probably helps your GPA. There’s no magic PFT score that applies to more than one selecting class. Right now there is a candidate at OCS Fall who failed to get into Summer with a 300 PFT! At the board, ANYTHING can happen. Even strong/weak recommendations can offset a PFT score. Each time you get your PFT score up, that looks great to the board. They consider your newer, better one. Since you’re not at 300 yet, KEEP PUSHING! Keep up the great work. I hope you are inspired by the self-improvement you’ve seen throughout the workout.
They also take into account the fact that you arent giving up and that you are working for improvement as well as showing results. Just keep trying.
I just wanted to see if you could answer my question on PLC. An 11 week course that at the end of the PLC training, you can choose to stay in or leave the marines with no obligation to stay. Is there a catch to that? Not that I would want to opt out, just curious on the case. Have you heard anything about this?
That’s how it works. Do some more reading around online before you ask more. This information is already out there. Read about Platoon Leader’s Course, Officer Candidate Course, and Officer Candidate School in general.
thanks for the timely response, but that was the question i still had after reading. I just couldn’t comprehend that the marines would pay someone that could potentially just walk away. seems like a waste to me. i know that if you take the 150 dollar stipend they could call you back for service. have you heard of anyone walking after PLC?
Yes. They dont “call you back for service” they make you pay the money back… and yell at you.
What is the class time to ‘work’ time ratio? Will you spend most of your time in the classroom or doing physical stuff?
Great question. Each day will be very different. Some days will be all classroom time, some mostly physical, but it’s common to do a 2 hour workout in the morning, then classes and drill all the rest of the day.
I’m a high school senior planning on entering the PLC Program. I just wanted to let you know that your website has been a huge encouragement to me, and has helped me a lot with preparation. Thank you!
What percent of the 1/3 of people that fail out of OCS drop on request? I want to know how many people they really kick out of the program for not being good enough.
Not sure, honestly.
They booted 4 out of 73 people in my junior platoon and there were 2 DOR’s and 2 Dropped for medical reasons (injury). In seniors there were 3 who got booted and 1 DOR. Seniors isnt the same as juniors in terms of who is in your platoon. Through our junior platoons facebook page I learned that 2 more were booted when they returned to seniors, 1 was Dropped at senors for medical reasons (injury), about 6 didnt qualify to return to seniors, 5 guys just didnt want to return and dropped the program, 1 (idiot) didnt accept his commission after making it all the way through, and another (even bigger idiot) got kicked out just before being commissioned for a DUI. So our original platoon of 73 only 51ish got commissioned. That was just my junior platoons stats but all platoons are different. A lot happens in the 2-3 years that it takes to navigate PLC jr. & sr..
Sir, I am an OCC Reserve Contract. I have my law license and I’m trying to go Active JAG. Any ideas on how to go active from reserve? I was told OCC-Law is pretty much filled up, and to just get my foot in the door.
Also, What are the chances of taking a trip home during TBS? My sister is getting married in May, I think my TBS start date would be sometime in April…Any advice is appreciated.
I would talk to an OSO about Reserve to Active. I don’t know anything about it.
A trip home during TBS will be difficult to pull, even on the weekend. You don’t actually get all weekends off, just liberty most weekends, with studying and other tasks necessary to be completed.
SIr, I have a question that Ive been searching for an answer to and could not find. If one is selected for PLC Juniors/Seniors, at what point would they have a rank and be allowed to wear their military uniform ? I apologize if the question is stupid, but it is a question that I do have. And thank you for not only your blog, but for also your service to our country.
You have rank and a uniform when you have a successful OCS completion and a college degree and an officer commissions you in an official ceremony. You will be a 2nd Lt. Thanks.
Hello,
I want to attend OCS ｄｕｒｉｎｇ ｔｈｅ summer of 2013, how early should I talk to an OSO to apply? (I am a college graduate currently studying Chinese abroad and will finish in January 2013, but can make a trip back to the US earlier if needed to apply). Thanks!
I would get my foot in the door as soon as possible. If you know for sure where you will live before you return to the country, you can put that address in marineofficer.com to get contacted by the appropriate OSO.
Dear Former Candidate,
You have a very informative website, I appreciate the information. I did have a few questions concerning leadership qualities. I’m 24 years old, I have a B.S. in Mechanical engineering and I’m currently in a Masters program for Materials engineering. However, my leadership experience is limited to class group projects and my undergraduate senior project. I was wondering if, considering what limited leadership roles I mentioned, I’m I in a poor position to apply for OCS?
John
John, obviously the more the better but you can “talk up” those projects. With strong academics and good recommendations, you can still be competitive. Plenty of candidates need to apply more than once, so don’t let a rejection phase you.
I talked to a recruiter a week ago and he asked me if I was allergic to anything. I told him I was allergic to peanut butter and he told me I might not be able to go to OCS because of it. Do you think peanut allergies are a big deal? Did you know anybody at OCS who was allergic to peanuts? Thanks.
That actually could derail your career–you don’t get to design your own diet, you just eat whatever is in the chow hall or MRE. So a peanut allergy could be a hindrance to the mission. Perhaps you could get a waiver for it though? Talk to an OSO, not a recruiter.
I read a pamphlet that says that those who are on the law track to become an Officer, are sworn in as Second Lieutenants and are place on inactive duty in the reserves until they get their law degrees. My question is does that mean that the candidate must sign for 8 years since he will be reserve or is he only obligated to sign for 4 years like ground and air candidates?
Do you know if the knowledge of critical languages, such as Arabic, Dari, Farsi and Pashto, is taken into account during selection for OCS? And at OCS, if you are sent before Platoon, Company, and Battalion Boards, will they take that information into account when deciding whether to drop or keep candidates? Thank you very much,
Nathan
Sir
I have a 4 year bachelor of arts degree, and have spend the past 6 years as a successful business person in the USA with a lot of leadership experience. I am a foreign citizen but have just recently acquired my green card so am only now just eligible for OCS. I am 31 (with no dependents) however and wanted to know what the likelihood of a age waver is for me, and what go’s in to determaning weather one is granted and what I might be able to do to increase my chances of being eligible.
thank you
Thomas
Age waivers are hard to get. You will need a 300 PFT score and good references, I bet. Talk to an OSO.
If you go up for something at OCS like a character flaw then your ability to speak another language will not be taken into account. For selection I am sure they will take into account what languages you speak otherwise they wouldn’t ask.
Hello,
I contacted my local OSO in late September and was informed there will no longer be PLC seniors, but only PLC juniors. I have researched why these cuts occurred and still cannot find any information. If you had any information regarding this topic and how to best proceed to applying for OCS it would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Who knows what’s going on. I’ll keep my ears open, but that’s the first I’ve heard about it.
I want to join, but need several months worth training before I take one look at my PFT score. How soon in this process should I contact a recruiter?
Firstly, you don’t talk to recruiters (enlisted joins only), you need to contact an OSO through MarineOfficer.com. Test yourself. If you get above 250, contact them. You will have enough time to work beyond that.
Sir,
I am currently enlisted in the Navy and have three and a half years left in my contract. My first question is whether I can apply for OCS say around my final year in the Navy? Also, do you know the percentage who attend OCS who are prior service from the other branches and how they are treated differently?
Another question I have is how much of a liability are glasses? Personally, they make me more afraid of getting hit in the head and I worry about activities that involve water since wet glasses are harder to see with. My goal is to get eye surgery, but if I am not eligible for it, should I worry about wearing glasses?
Another question I have is on minimum weight limits. I read somewhere that the minimum for my height is 114. Currently I am at 120, but I had to work to get to that weight and maintain it. My metabolism will slow down as I get older (I will be almost 29 when I get out), but I am still concerned about getting sufficient nutrition to go along with the calories that I would burn at OCS. Has anyone ever been dropped for losing too much weight or is there sufficient nutrition available to prevent a lot of weight loss?
Finally thank you for all of the information posted here, especially the physical fitness information. I have the grades (BA, 3.7 GPA), will get leadership experience, and will be able to get good recommendations, so these things don’t concern me. What does concern me are the physical aspects because I have always been skinny. I know with hard work I can do the cardio because I have done cross country. So all of the workout information and what to expect at OCS are going to be of tremendous help. At least I don’t have to worry about how to handle lack of sleep since you experience that on a regular basis in the Navy.
V/R,
Melissa
Melissa,
Former enlisted (Navy/anything) gives you a leg up on others. Don’t worry about glasses–lots of candidates have to wear them. Minimum weight is a strict minimum! You will be weighed naked. Better be above it! They give you sufficient nutrition…maybe 3500 calories a day. It’s enough.
Do the workout on here. Many candidates are super skinny and they are fine! You will be able to cut it. Just do the workout on the site. Good luck.
Sir,
There is one more question I would like to ask. Recently I discovered that I have mild scoliosis from getting an x-ray to make sure I didn’t have pneumonia. I am not sure whether it was recorded in my medical record, but if it was, can I be medically disqualified for it even if it doesn’t affect my physical abilities?
V/R,
Melissa
Melissa,
If they discover it, they might disqualify you.
Take the shot, and go for it is my advice. We need good officers.
Do you know how difficult it is to get weight waivers? there is almost no way i will ever be able to get down to their desired weight. ill probably be 30lbs above it actually but as of now i have a pft of 275. i think i can get up to 290 but i definitely cannot reach the required weight
Impossible. You will be okay if your body fat percentage is measured under an approved amount. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/a/weightmale.htm
Sir,
I have a few questions. I am 24. Vietnamese/French decent. I will be graduating in May with a BS in Psychology. I’m graduating late because I took almost 2 years off school, I’ve been struggling and providing for myself since 18, I’ve been working for the past 8 years of my life.
I took an interest in USMC OCS Ground back in Nov. 2010 because it has always been my dream to serve as an officer since I got my first bb gun at 6 years old. I recent went back to school in Spring 2011. I’ve been doing well since then. When I left in 2008 my GPA was a 2.0, but its gradually going up today. I should be close to a 2.5-2.8 when I graduate.
Now for the OCS app. I had a horrible SAT score of 880, but I got into VCU with a GPA of 2.9 and tennis scholorship. I have to take the ASVAB, which I have not yet. I’ve taken 2 PFT’s. The first one I did horrible. The second one I did 97 crunches, 11 pull ups, 23:00 3 mile in the summer. I recently updated my application. References: My uncle who is a retired Naval Commander. A friend who is a 2nd Lt. in the US Army, Fellow professor who was a retired Sergeant Major in the US Army. And my family friend who is a retired 1st Lt. USMC. All who know me very well and will give me strong recommendations. I’ve been a leader in my well known fraternity by coordinating major school events and officer positions, ive extensive volunteer work as well. I’ve been on my schools in Muay Thai and Ju Jitsu team.
Now here’s the question: I talked to the new OSO last month. He told me the only option for me is OCC, which would be fall or winter 2012. I’ve been training to improve my PFT. TODAY I did 18 pull ups. 100 sit ups in 1:40 sec. and my 3 mile run was 20:57sec. I have not taken the ASVAB yet, since I have to score at least 65 on the EST.I’m definately not a dumb kid, I just have anxiety attacks when taking standardized tests. I’m still pushing myself ridiculously hard regardless of my intense schedule w work and full time school.
Do you think I still have a shot? I feel like I’m getting too old. I know its a very common asked question. What advise to you have for me? Thank you very much Sir!
Anxiety attacks when you take tests? You have to take tests under extreme pressure at OCS. How will you hold up under fire? I love your martial arts, leadership experience, and motivation. But I would highly recommend you get your anxiety taken care of with a professional because I would not want an officer over me who might freeze up and get Marines killed. The Corps is not a game and it is not a right to serve in the military. You take probably 2 standardized tests a week at OCS. If you can’t ace them, you fail. Period.
Other than that red flag, the rest of your packet looks very competitive, and the recommendations are sparkling.
You’re definitely not too old by far.
You will not get accepted unless your anxiety attacks are completely under control.
Sir, This website has been one of the most informative and enlightening in preparation for OCS. I cannot, however, find when the Selection Board meets or how often. All that I have been told by my OSO is that it is upcoming and months away. Not a huge concern for me as I am following your (and other) recommended guidelines for PFT and Academics. I am 24, am currently working as a field tech specialist in the building materials industry, have a BS in Finance from a very good school, earned a 3.2 GPA while playing Division 1 Lacrosse, and was top of my class in a JROTC high school. Despite this, one of the recruitment officers that works with the OSO has said (after hearing this) that I am flat out not competitive. The only thing I can think of is that I have a small tattoo on my shoulder blade (a cross). Is that enough to prohibit me from being selected? Thanks in advance.
Your package sounds good but it just depends on what positions your OSO has. Sometimes, an OSO only gets a couple female contracts for a class and has to turn away all the males, 300 PFT, 4.0 GPA, doesn’t matter! So if you have a 300 PFT, you sound competitive to me but you never know.
Do you know how heavily an applicant’s academic history plays into their application? I had a rough start to college, took time off to work, and then returned. I should be graduating with near a 3.5 (in supply chain management), but the transcripts will show a plethora of low grades. From what you’ve seen, do you think this would hurt my application package?
Also, what types of recommendations are desirable?
Thank you for your website and advice, I’m really glad that you created it!
Grades: final GPA is what matters.
Recommendations from former USMC officers would be the best. Try for military officers, enlisted, positions of authority, etc.
I just had a quick question regarding eligibility for the PLC program.
I am a college sophmore, I am an Eagle Scout, volunteer at a hospital and my church, I have a 2.9 gpa but am changing from Chemistry to Political Science(i get higher grades in this coursework), out of high school I was accepted to both USNA and USAFA, I have great recomendations, and I play lacrosse in college. My PFT is right around 250 at the moment and I was wondering if a graduate of the program or a selected candidate could give me a fair assessment of my chances. (My OSO says that my hispanic ethnicity will also help)
Many thanks,
Vincent
Ethnicity does help but your PFT is unsatisfactory. Get it up to 290+, in my personal opinion. I saw a 300 PFT candidate with leadership credentials and sparkling recommendations not get selected.
What happens to the MARPATS of those who get dropped on request at OCS? Is there a way future candidates can buy their uniforms to have extra sets if necessary?
You can buy them once you are a candidate, or maybe once you’re a Marine. The dropped candidates give them back and get some money back, I believe. They’re for sale somewhere on Quantico. If you want some ahead of time, check ebay.
Dear Sir,
I am a sophomore at a Jr. college, intending to transfer to a four year college, and am very interested in becoming a Marine officer. I have a 4.0 college GPA and run a 274 PFT, but I never held any leadership positions with clubs or sports in HS. Does my lack of HS leadership experience void my chances? What are some things, besides enhancing my PFT that I could do to be more competitive?
Your PFT should be 290+ to give yourself the best chance of getting in. You’re still at college–join a club and run for a leadership position! Start a study group, slap a name on it, and call it a club. If you can’t get into someone else’s leadership positions, make one up yourself. You need to demonstrate leadership. Get off your butt asap.
Thank you for your service and for all the work you’ve put into this site.
How does the transition from OCS to TBS work? Are those that graduate from OCS typically able to enter TBS immediately? Or is there a waiting period, and if so, how long would the wait be? Lastly, were there a waiting period in between what would be required of the graduate during that time ?
From OCC to TBS, there is usually no wait–you commission and then go check in to TBS immediately. From PLC, you will have a long wait, maybe 6 to 9 months after commissioning. For PLC, you commission once you graduate college, since you did OCS over the summers. However, these timing issues always change so talk to your OSO for up-to-date info.
I’ve found this site to be breath of fresh air, very informative. Thank you for the effort you’ve put into all of this.
I’m in the process of applying for active duty OCC next fall and have been doing monthy PFTs on campus with my OSOs. Running is my strong point, pull ups are at seventeen or so, but for some reason I am having immense difficulty with the crunches. This is the event that most of the students pass with ease, but I’m only getting anywhere from fifty to seventy. I’m loosing alot of points here and I don’t understand why my body is peetering out. I’ve been doing crunches once a day until I simply can’t do anymore. Am I breaking myself down or am I not doing enough? Are there any other excercises that might help with the timed crunches?
-Nick
Take a break! Make sure you’re not over training. Also, breathe very deeply and slow down as you do the crunches so that you don’t burn out too fast. Do Ab Ripper X every other day. Do it slowly and deliberately. You will improve but it can take awhile. Those are my best suggestions for you. If you know any Marines, have them watch you do your crunches–you may be screwing something up about the form.
Thank you for all of your valuable information. I have a few questions about applying for OCC (hopefully Fall). I broke my leg volunteering in a Thai refugee camp this past November and am just now starting to put weight on it. My question is: will this require a waiver? I was running decently (around 20 without much training) and scoring 100s on pullups and situps in the PFT so I’m sure I could get back to it. I know boards are in August. Will still coming out of therapy for my leg stop an OSO from putting together a packet with me? Thanks for the information.
If you can pass a PFT, you don’t even need to tell anyone about that. It’s in the past. Get well!
Good evenning sir,
I’m an aspiring candidate, I have been working with my OSO for about a year and it seems as if im finally ready to send a package in for this summers class. My question is what are my chances of getting selected? here is some of my most crucial information:
BS in Criminology (2.5 GPA)
LCPL in the USMCR (4.4 marks)
300 CFT, 287 pft (23,100,20:06)
91 ASVAB, 123 GT
Recless driving ticket (already got the waiver)
Although i know that by no means my GPA is close to the average (i worked full time to pay for school) my asvab i think is better than average and so are my cft and pft (i might even be able to get it up to 290 by the time i run it again in april). I joined the reserves after graduating from college in order to become a citizen and be able to apply to OCS. Mi personal character PIQ was filled out by USMC major, and im a minority, what are my chances of getting selected?
Pretty strong application, devil. Minority status helps. Ground/air? Any more specific than “looking good” requires knowing how many slots your OSO has. Sometimes an OSO will actually only be pulling females. So who knows.
I am currently still in highschool as a junior. My plan in life is to go through OCS and ultimately achieve the title US Marine and Marine Officer. I want to go through OCS using the PLC program. The only thing real question I never got answered about PLC is will the Marine Corps pay for my college tuition if I do PLC?
Usually not. If there’s another big war, then maybe they’ll offer a bonus or something. ROTC or Naval Academy pays more, or all, your way respectively.
I’ve found that going down to your local recruiting office and working with the poolees can help. It gave me great insight as to what exercises are the best and they go over a lot of knowledge that will most likely help me and you at OCS. Check it out.
I have a question regarding the usual dates for the PLC program and when they ship you out during the summer and if being an Eagle Scout would help at all on the application. Also how common is it to get a 300 PFT score?
PLC happens in the summers, early and late sessions usually. Eagle Scout could help a little. Leadership positions are the best. 300 is a small minority but a good percentage get 285+ for their application.
Sir,
First of all, your site has been a great tool! Most of my questions have been answered, and then some.
I have a question in regards to over training. I should preface this with the fact that I am trying to drop weight in order to qualify. A year ago, I was weighing in at 294 (former College Football player). Since then, I have buckled down, and dropped weight like crazy, in order to give myself a shot at my goal of attending OCC. I am currently sitting at 240, and still dropping; my run time is steadily improving, as are my pull ups and sit ups.
In an effort to keep dropping weight, I have been doing some two-a-day cardio work (heavy session, followed by a lighter afternoon session), while also following the Armstrong program and doing crunches, coupled with a strict diet plan. I have read your workouts on this site, and just want to know, in your opinion, should I keep doing what I’m doing until I make weight, or switch to the outlined OCS prep workouts? I understand that injury is one of the main contributors to candidates being dropped, and I don’t want to shoot myself in the foot before I am even accepted.
Here is some other general background:
Age: 25
College: 3.2 GPA
Desired Contract: Either Ground or Air, depending on what is available.
Get that weight off!!! Doing that first! Once you are within regs or close, then switch to my workout. My workout will definitely get you prepared for OCS–but what good is that if you can’t get in?
Also you probably know this, but make sure to eat enough protein during the weight loss process. Hopefully you lose mostly fat and not muscle!
Sir,
I am interested in becoming a Marine Corps Officer, but I want to become a Combat Artist Officer because I enjoy the arts and I am good at it sketching as well. I was wondering what requirements or what routes I must take to become one?
I will add that I am Female and I am wondering if that would affect my chances of becoming a combat artist?
You would have to be enlisted to become a combat artist, sorry.
Hello Sir,
I’m currently working with my OSO to submit an application for OCS. My question is, do I still have time to submit my application for this Summer 2012 class? I’m taking my second PFT with my OSO this Tuesday. I have all my paper work done,(waiting on PIQ’s to come in as well), just need to get above a 280 on my PFT this time, (Confident it will happened now!).
Also, What are my chances in general getting selected for OCS? I’m a Junior majoring in Structural Engineering, GPA=2.8. I have roles as a leader from school organizations. My first PFT was 257, (19 pull-ups, 3 mile in 20min:30sec, and 77 crunches).Going back for 2nd PFT Tuesday, already maxing out crunches and pull-ups. I’m 6ft and 199lbs.
Do you think there is still time for me to get my application in or am I too late?
Thanks ahead of time for your insight!
You’ll have to direct these questions to your OSO–he should have a better idea, sorry!
Sir,
I am currently finishing my sophomore year of college. I’ve recently took interest in becoming a Marine Officer, however I heard that the 10 week PLC (between junior and senior year) is no longer an option.
Is this true, and if so, how much more competitive is OCC for college graduates. What would you recommend I do?
Not sure that will be true for you, but OCC is pretty competitive. It’s a little harder to get into, but no harder to get through once you’re there.
Sir,
I am already working on a perfect PT score, but what is a competitive GPA for candidates?
Depends on the year. Several years ago when they were increasing the size of the Marine Corps, GPA standards slipped but over the next several years, you will see both PFT & GPA scores get scrutinized much more.
Right now, I don’t have a slam-dunk “benchmark” to shoot for. Do your best.
First off sir, your site has been exceptionally helpful, I’ve found more information on OCS here than I could ever get out of my OSO.
I am a Contracted Aviation candidate who is awaiting selection in the April board for PLC Juniors. I’m told selection should come back favorably, but It doesn’t help that I’m 6’1″ 145 pounds soaking wet. Will my skinniness be an issue, other than harassment?
I have grown up around the Corps, my father just retired as a Major after 20 years as an F/A-18 WSO, and that’s all I’ve ever wanted to be or could ever see myself doing. However, and I’m sure you hear this a lot, but I have a fairly comprehensive knowledge of most of the Corps, but extremely little on the mental rigors of OCS. I am always worried that upon arrival I will vapor lock in the face of an SI, or that no amount of mental or physical training will ever be enough, even though I think of little else. Could this just pre-ship jitters or am I over-thinking this?
Sorry to bombard you with information, but I really do appreciate the help sir! Also, Congratulations on graduating TBS and moving on to flight school!
Skinniness shouldn’t hurt you–I was 6’4″, 165 when going through and did fine! Height actually helps quite a bit.
If you have a competitive PFT score and a very strong desire to become a Marine Officer, you will make it.
You WILL however, have jitters and anxiety! That’s fine! Everyone is worried about succeeding. Just try to channel that energy positively (think: the gym) and to accept it as inevitable. Visualize as clearly as possible the day of your commissioning.
Eyes on the prize.
Sir,
Thank you for all the information you are providing for all of us future candidates.
I am currently a sophomore at a Community College, in my last semester before transferring to a University. Solid GPA, and need to improve on my PFT score.
But my concern and question is, I had knee surgery 5 years ago (Nothing Big like ACL or anything) And could possibly have a shoulder injury from baseball. And I am worried that, those could hurt my application and resume. Do you know of anyone in OCS that had surgeries or anything of that nature?
Thank you
Thanks, Phil! Yes, tons of Marines have had torn ACLs, all sorts of very serious stuff! It just affects you if it is not healed up.
Thanks for the informative site.
I have a question about reductions in force and troop withdrawal. How will this effect the selection process and OCS? Will it increase the competitiveness of the entire process? Will there be less contracts for males specifically? The reason I ask is that I have seen with DIA
Also, I am strongly interested in intel. I have a Masters in Nonproliferation and Terrorism Studies with a 3.7 GPA and I have several quantitative analyses under my belt (GIS, SNA, link) including several leadership roles. I read in earlier posts that specific educational backgrounds aren’t really considered but would these skills be taken into consideration?
Thanks for the informative site.
I have a question about reductions in force and troop withdrawal. How will this effect the selection process and OCS? Will it increase the competitiveness of the entire process? Will there be less contracts for males specifically?
Also, I am strongly interested in intel. I have a Masters in Nonproliferation and Terrorism Studies with a 3.7 GPA and I have several quantitative analyses under my belt (GIS, SNA, link) including several leadership roles and I speak 2 foreign languages (Russian and Romanian). I read in earlier posts that specific educational backgrounds aren’t really considered but would these skills be taken into consideration?
I’m not worried about PFT. I’m in good shape but not OCS shape. Look forward to the butt-kicking if I decide to pursue this further. Thanks!
Seth, OCS is getting extremely competitive for males. Females are getting competitive, too, with the reduction.
Intel would be taken into account at TBS where you would get your MOS but probably is not impactful for your OCS application. That GPA and your Russian skills probably would stand out very well. You also can get paid more as a Lt if you speak Russian! Did you know that?
There are significantly fewer contracts available today than there were back in 2008 when I went through the process.
Sir,
Thank you for your time, effort and energy in making a great resource for future OCS candidates.
I’m 27 years old 67″ and weigh 210, it appears I need to be 176 pounds at my max for OCS. I’ve already lost 40 lbs and working on killing the rest.
My question is I’ve recently graduated with a Bachelors of Science in Public Policy and Administration with a GPA of 2.47, will my GPA effect my chances?
I’ve not met with an OSO yet. I know that I need to drop the weight and I will start your physical training program that you have lined out. My goal is over the next 6-9 months be at 176.
I have 4 years experience in leadership as a Cadet Captain for a local Police Department. I know that I will be a great leader and have determiniation. I just want a chance.
Dave,
West Coast
David,
Where did you get that information? You are already within standards: http://www.yuma.usmc.mil/services/legal/documents/MCO6110.3.pdf Be careful about what information you immediately absorb and run with.
Stop dropping weight. Try my workout now, 300pft.com or P90X. Get stronger, improve cardio, and endurance.
Your leadership resume is sparkling and overall you sound like a strong applicant. Talk to an OSO. Now. Stop being lost in the woods!
Will do Sir,
I was actually going to enlist into DEP back in December, however I did not make weight so I stepped back to look at what I really want.
I’ve always wanted to be an Officer in the Military, I almost commissioned with the Army in 2005 I was in ROTC with Oregon State University at the time.
However, long story short, the Marine Corps has what I want and I’m not looking back.
That information that I got was from about.com I was also told by a USMC Captain of ROTC at OSU I needed to be at what they called “post boot camp weight” to apply for OCS as if I had just gone through boot camp and dropped weight!
I will start try that above listed workout/s and contact an OSO!
-Motivated
Sir,
I missed the deadline for the College Sophmore PLC pfts, due to issues with getting my medical records. I was originally planning on doing the college junior PLC program but I heard it was cut. Is this true and if so what should i do? Thank you.
Can’t respond with 100% assurance of accuracy–try directing your question to an OSO
As a starving college student I have to ask. I know I get paid at ocs juniors for the time spent there but am I intitled to any sort of monthly pay between then and my next session at ocs?
You only will get paid for time at OCS until you get to TBS–even if you commission 6 months before TBS!
Hello! Thank you so much for this site. It has been very informative. So, I have a question about my husband. He is looking into applying for OCS but he is 30 and will be 31 in September…however…he is prior enlisted with honorable discharge and could get at least five letters of recommendation from former Gunny’s and MstGunny’s. His GPA on his Associates is 3.3 and on his Bachelor’s is 2.55 but he worked full-time through both. He holds a few leadership roles at his current job and could also get recommendations from those superiors. I know he will need an age waiver but will that be easier to get since he is prior enlisted? Considering the need of an age waiver, the not perfect GPA and a PFT in the 270 area what are his chances? Are they okay with his excellent recommendations, prior enlistment, leadership roles, steady work history and no criminal record aside from speeding tickets? Thank you!
His resume is very strong overall, but the GPA may be an issue. The bachelor’s GPA will definitely be looked at, and I don’t know that “working through school” can be quantified or handicapped. His PFT will not be super competitive at 270 for OCC right now but he definitely can get that up. All the rest looks good. To be realistic, it may take several applications to get accepted. Many candidates have written me lately with 300 PFTs and strong applications and have been rejected one or two times! All of this is just one opinion–it’s worth talking to an OSO about. Recommendations make a huge difference. If he can find any old COs who are Colonels or Generals now those go a long way.
Firstly, outstanding website. Extremely helpful to me in my quest to become a Marine officer. I’m about to be 30 years old, I graduated from a top-tier state university with a 3.2 gpa. Several leadership positions both in college and in my current career as a financial analyst. I speak/read/write Arabic fluently and have extensive travel experience to the middle east and beyond. My OSO thinks this is fine and dandy but won’t mean much unless I ace the pft in order to obtain and age waiver (currently at a 264 bc my run is 24:00). Do you know of anyone during OCC who was 30 years old and if so, we’re they pft superstars or were they able to get waivers with their credentials? I realize this is a very specific question but I don’t know any other marine officers and I’m receiving conflicting info on web forums. Thank you sir.
I do know multiple 30+ year old candidates. Even with a 300 PFT, some had to apply more than once! You are probably not competitive down 36 points from others. The Arabic may be helpful, but you never know.
Thank you for your reply. We will talk to the OSO soon…getting all of the supporting documents together right now for the application but he has decided to apply a few times and if he still doesn’t make the cut either go to grad school for an MBA (and a better GPA) and apply again or go back to enlisted. He just wants to get back however he can at this point. :-) Hopefully he will get in right off the bat and we won’t have to worry about it anymore. I asked him about former CO’s and he said he doesn’t have any idea how to contact them but he can ask the Sgt’s he still keeps in touch with for info. Also, there’s a guy who was a Sgt in his office who is now an Army officer that he could ask. I don’t guess the branch would matter??? Anyway, we are headed back to the Corps one way or the other. Thanks for your help!
There are plenty of attractive applicants with 290+ PFTs right now who are on their fourth application/board. Really try to differentiate yourself is my advice now. Former military officer recommendations would be excellent!
Hello Sir,
First off I want to say I have found your site extremely helpful. I am contracted ground poolee and I haven’t been selected for the past 3 selection boards.
Background Info:
College Sophomore
Art Major(3.2 GPA)
Former Lifeguard/Swimming Instructor
Swim Team(Varsity Letter)
Active in Christian Youth Group
Minority(Filipino)
Last my most recent PFT was a 288.
I’m overall just getting frustrated from hearing “Oh this selection board was really tough…”
Is there anything more I can add to my package? Enlistment has been in the back of my mind, but I’m being a little impatient, I really want to become a Marine Officer.
Quickly first, you are an “applicant” until accepted by a board, a “candidate” until commissioning as an officer. “Poolee” is technically for recruits, who then are enlisted.
That’s a pretty good package overall! Can you get any former or active military to give you recommendations? They love that. Other than that, please do not give up. The Marine Corps needs good officers and especially more with strong integrity. Please stay the course. That is my only recommendation. If you can swap to another OSO who has more slots, that has been successful for some.
Do OSO’s only have a certain number of slots that they have available? From what I’ve seen, it seems like they have numerous people on the applicant board they I’ve seen.
Yes usually it works that there are a limited number of slots nationwide, and they get apportioned according to some calculation to each OSO.
Sir, once again, thank you for the website. I check it daily.
There is a lot of focus on the PFT events, but would you mind suggesting what threshold candidates should be at on other common exercises (ie: planks, side planks, pushups, air squats, flutterkicks, etc)? I’d like to be as well prepared as possible for OCC.
Thank you for your time.
Absolutely. Already done! http://officercandidatesschool.com/2011/02/11/ocs-challenge-benchmarks/
For plank, they made us do a 4 minute plank once. That was brutal. Also we did over 200 pushups one day–so you need to become a pushup god. Over 200. Not exaggerating.
Also try to get up to 100 flutterkicks. Remember they are harder with boots on! Good luck!
I appreciate the reply and apologize for missing that link. That list makes me feel very confident that I’ve been pushing myself hard enough (though I’ll continue to push harder).
Did they make you do 200 pushups in x amount of time or were you expected to be able to do 200 consecutive? I can do 55-60 full ROM, chest to the ground, right now. Have no idea how I could make it to 200!
Regarding the ammo can press, do you recommend taking a 35lb dumbbell and practicing pushing that for stamina? I do not have access to an ammo box.
Lastly, flutterkicks are done by 4 count in the Corps, correct?
Thank you again for your dedication to this website and our country.
Usually only 20 or 40 consecutive. It took an hour or so for the 200 and they were intermixed with other workouts and a hundred flutterkicks or so. Definitely yes on the dumbbell. That’s perfect.
Correct–R leg up, down, up, ONE. Same time as L leg down, up, down, ONE. You got it.
Thank you. Keep up the good work!
Im in High School right now and i want to join the Marines. I also want to go to college but I want to do OCS as well how does that work? Can i take OCS in College as well as my major or is it one or the other?
You can do Platoon Leader’s Course in the summers, NROTC during the schoolyear, or OCC afterwards. Do some googling and educate yourself.
Can u take OCS after High school and go to college for Computer science
Yes
Hey, Me again. Sorry I forgot to ask one more quesiton. Would a letter from a US Representative be good for OCS or is that just for the military schools? My husband works in tobacco in the summers for our Representative’s brother and the Reps wife was his high school guidance counselor so we could probably get one pretty easily. Would that set him apart at all or would you recommend just sticking primarily with the former CO’s? Thank you again. He didn’t know I was on your site until yesterday when I read him your responses. He said to say thank you and he found your opinion very encouraging. :-) Thanks again.
That would be fantastic! You’re welcome. Good luck and God bless
Test.
During OCS and TBS, would my wife be provided housing in Quantico?
Fantastic question! Very important–for OCS you will not be provided any type of housing for her at all. You should get a reduced BAH to help cover your rent but don’t count on it. At TBS you will live in the barracks (Bachelor Officers Quarters) and she can live in a civilian house in the area. You can usually go home at night, but you won’t get a place on base together until your permanent duty station. You will receive the BAH for the area so your rent should pretty much be covered by that.
Sir,
I posted on this site back in December, I was unable to “create” leadership positions at my college, however, I got my PFT to 300 in less than a month. I was selected for PLC second increment last week. I just wanted to thank you for this website and your fantastic workouts. Keep it up, thanks!
Right now I take a preworkout supplement before hitting the gym. Should I stop taking it in preparation for OCS or can I take it when I get there such as before a PFT?
Thanks
Maybe taper off so it’s not in your system or a habit by the time you get to OCS. The general rule is to limit any changes that could be a shock to your system. Also be aware they will do drug testing on you and some supplements are not allowed. I recommend sticking to strictly whey protein to play it safe.
Hello sir,
My husband is scheduled to attend OCS shortly. I am wondering if it would be worth moving to Georgia to be near him. I’ve heard they get weekend passes (even if he can’t leave the barracks, I can go to him). Is this true for the whole time or just the second half? I understand I would have to find a place and pay my own way. I guess I’m just wondering if the time we get to see him would be worth the move, in your opinion. Thanks. I don’t know if it matters or not, but he is National Guard.
Wrong OCS–USMC OCS is in Quantico, and is totally different from Army OCS.
Can you be selected for Navy OCS right out of boot camp? And is it possible to be selected without a college degree.
No you need a college degree or to at least be in college with a GPA for the application.
Are the Oakley boots from usstandardissue.com acceptable for OCS?
No they are not. You can tell if boots are not allowed by checking the side of the heel/ankle portion for an embossed Eagle, globe, and anchor symbol. None of those even have that symbol on them.
What happens If i ship to OCS and am over my weight limit by 5-8 pounds? I dont pass body fat percentage because my hips are wide, but I run a 286 PFT, I just cant make weight.
You should get a chance to drop that weight at OCS. If you can’t tape out and weight too much, you will be in big trouble. At OCS, you could easily drop 10 pounds though. Once an officer, you will have to drop that weight. Of course, you can use a sauna to cut weight once you’re a Marine. That is a really easy way to get 5 pounds off.
Question, what are the swimming qualifications, I’m an O.k. swimmer, but what should I work on before OCS?
There is no swimming there–you will get tested (and trained) a little at TBS.
I am 6 feet tall and 200lbs at approximately 15% body fat. I’d like to maintain the definition in my arms and shoulders (chest shouldn’t be a problem considering the amount of pushups done during OCS). Is there any place I can train with weights during Liberty?
Afternoon. Two quick questions that I keep getting conflicting information on. 1) Are pushups done chest all the way to the ground or elbows to 90 degrees? 2) Is the ammo can for the CFT 30 or 35lbs? Thank you.
“Official” military pushups are to 90 degrees, and you will go to 90 degrees for, shall we say, punishment pushups. However for the Push-Pull-Press-Ab workout specifically, you will have a partner who holds his fist on the ground at your chestbone, and you will have to drop your chest to tap his fist for each pushup to count.
Also the ammo cans are supposed to be 30 pounds. At OCS however they might be overloading them, you never know. But in the Marine Corps as a whole, for the CFT, it has to be a 30 pound can.
I have heard that there is a potential 10-18 month wait between OCS and TBS right now. Do you know anything about the current wait time? Thank you.
Thanks for the advice. I ran a personal-best 285 PFT and got into the first session of PLC this summer. I cannot thank you enough for the valuable advice offered on this site. Looking forward to getting to PLC and working hard.
Best,
John D
Thanks, John D! Keep up the great work. Do send us a note after you get through so we can pass along any advice you have as a guest post. Keep the chain going.